what do you make of this? >> clearly they were after gossip because it's political. this has no intelligence value. let me be clear on this, i have run these sorts of operations before. i have had to go to the white house and brief on this sort of operation. and you instantly, and let me be clear on this for your audience. you instantly bend information relating to u.s. persons. it used to take us time, like minutes. now it can be done instantly. i mean the moment it hits so there is absolutely no technical reason. so what i have been saying is this incidental, it's incidental on purpose. they knew what they were going for. therefore, what mr. woodward was just say something absolutely correct. i believe they is much worse than watergate by order of magnitude by the fact that you had people both in the intelligence community who were political appointees and i would argue mr. trump's battle against the intelligence community wasn't against the community it's about the political appointees running the intelligence community clearly now the evidence is they abused their authority and used it for political purposes.