are looking at it through the idea is to see what people in power over you what they think, what they think you should be doing, or what they are planning to do to you, your budget, or whatever. so you can try to counteract it before it actually happens. >> tucker: >> tucker: i mean, tt east german pier that's got to be illegal. i can't believe that is illegal. >> no, it isn't. >> tucker: right. the oversight committees are supposed be providing that stuff. i remember having a conversation with a former republican chairman of the oversight committee, mikeormee rogers and saying this is ag big deal and getting an answer in effect terrorism. that doesn't soundt like anything to do with terrorism. >> no. this bulk acquisition, by the way, is inhibiting their ability to detect terrorist threats in advance so people get killed as a result. which means they pick up the pieces and clean up the blood after the attack. that's what's been going on. ypthey have consistently failed. when alexander said he stopped, theyge stopped 504 attacks, and challenge to produce the evidence to do that, failed on every count. >> tucker: so, but the nsa --