having sanctuary city programs? >> juan: of course. you have lost. nobody would sanction or abide sexual abuse of anybody. that's pretty horrible. i have trouble with this conversation because i know 98% -- i feel like i am repeating myself but 90% of illegal immigrants have committed no crime. to characterize the conversation about a legal immigrants were immigration reform to me is offensive because i don't believe most immigrants who come to this country, a disproportionate number of whom are entrepreneurs who start companies. >> greg: i agree with you on that but once the percentage of the general population that commits a crime? is a drastically different? >> juan: yes. it is. >> greg: or are you comparing it crime by crime? >> eric: illegals commit violent crime at a higher rate. >> juan: no, no, no. kimberly said they committed a crime when they cross the border