to go forth like in the city of los angeles and do this. and every person who goes on television, especially every politician who defends this, needs to meet with kate steinle's family. needs to meet with the family of someone who has been injured or killed by an illegal immigrant in an sanctuary city. real life implications for keeping these in place. it's not that we can't have an conversation about comprehensive immigration reform or immigration in general. when you are talking aboutpi specifically sanctuary cities having different rights for citizens of the united states of america where you can come in and there could be an illegal immigrant who has committed many crimes that could possibly kill you, that's not something most americans can get behind. >> juan: let me push back on you, meghan. let me say, i find the way of framing the argument puzzling. something like 2%. 2% of illegal immigrants who committed any felony crime. so we are talking about 98% who are peaceful, hard-working people who are the gardeners, the cooks. >> kimberly: they are breaking the law by being here illegally. >> juan: that's fine. >> meghan: talk about immigration in general.g there are a lot of people, people that my brother served with, who served in the military in order to become citizens and sometimes got their citizenship