to deliver as much. i think the cba -- cbo scores will hurt the case, the question is will they be able to offer ay sort of results? they might be able to do something like that and some of these -- some of this policy, some of this bill that has been laid out might do some of that, but it is up to the administration to make that case to say this is how it will help. i do think it ultimately will fall short of the overall promised that president trump made, but it might be salvageable, but right now, they do not yet have the votes. it will be a real tug on the hill to try to get those votes. >> jon: and about 45 minutes, we are supposed to talk with senator rand paul of kentucky. he obviously campaign for the presidency against donald trump, did not prevail, but he certainly is a thorn in the side of the president right now as he tries to repeal and replace obamacare. does it surprise you that, given the republican distaste for this law over the last eight years,