a win-win? something like that? >> yes, thank you for putting up that way. that is certainly one example of how that would work. i have to say, there are some people who may not support toll roads, but we have to take a look at all of these financing mechanisms, because once again, the needs of our infrastructure are so great that the federal government cannot and should not be the only source of funding to repair our bridges, our roads, our energy grids. >> jenna: viewers might be thinking i'm paying taxes to make sure that this is happening, if a private company steps in, i'm going to be paying for tolls on top of it? how does it work for your average consumer? would we be paying double? >> no. i think the reality is, we do pay taxes. one of the things the federal government, they've set a record the last two years for revenue