you don't see the same voices reflected. you see the establishment voices reflected. when you have people that after run state party not having opportunity to have voice and you see the splintering that takes place. >> a lot of the folks who are running the party, state chairs, congressmen, the senior part of the leadership are the folks that were around when you were in high school. >> i was in high school, i went to visit congress and i went and hung out with tim waters and now i'm in my mid-30's and those still people are still in congress. we are not getting the new voices, new blood in and there's effort to tamp down those individuals. >> we have to run, robert. anybody who knows what a hard break is you and radio. >> yup. >> stick around, we will see what happens as we get the results of the second balloting here from a very divided house among the democrats, certainly not what you're seeing there at cpac. >> yeah, absolutely, we are