where is po december take getting this? where is the evidence now? >> i agree there should be a deeper investigation into trump's ties with russia, into the leaks that have exposed some of this stuff, the leaks that have led to more speculation, irresponsible speculation about trump's ties to russia. the problem with our national debate on this and so many other things right now is a lack of evidence. it's a lack of facts. we're having a fact-free debate in so many different ways. what john podesta is exacerbating the problem. i would be fine with a commission appointed by president trump or a commission -- select committee paneled by congress to look broadly at these questions. podesta is doing the opposite of fact finding.