another candidate says crime is up massively, gotten terribly worse over the past four years, since garcetti has been made here. is it a good move for someone who is considering a rising star in the democratic party to hide something like that? >> i think we are talking about different things. a general rise in the crime rate. and l.a. saying to their citizens -- their citizens the saying, they will not abide by donald trump's mass deportation order. >> sandra: we are talking about a mayor that is hiding his rising crime rates. >> i think the reason why the crime rate is rising in l.a., just like across the country, has less to do with undocumented workers, less to do with all the things that donald trump says, it has more to do with hopelessness and joblessness. let's have a conversation about putting jobs, creating jobs, rebuilding schools, that can solve poverty. >> sandra: what has been happening with the crime rates in los angeles, lets deal in fact, david, you point out the 10% number.