>> bill: do you think political correctness is strangling the democrats now? i mean, it really is out of control, to some extent.ra >> i don't know. i don't think so. clearly, what you have is a democratic party that i think is more in touch with the changing face of the country, right now -- >> bill: then why is donald trump president? >> oh, i think donald trump was successful in winning the electoral college. he didn't win the popular vote. >> bill: if you think of the democratic party is more in touch with the folks, that never would have happened, juan. never in a million years. >> no, no, no. i think donald trump stirred a lot of racial division in the country. but i think he also appealed, that is how he broke through state like michigan, wisconsin, where obama had won previously. suddenly, they went the other way. these people aren't racists. they just saw something different, and what donald trump was offering, i think, was a strong appeal to blue-collar