the honky and his institutions of racism! that is the major enemy! >> bill: the white man, based on a pig reference. you must know that alex rackley, a black panther, in new haven. he was murdered there allegedly by other black panthers. that was back in 1969. there is a long legacy of o violence associated with even the new black panthers today. how can you look favorably upon that group? >> well, there is a long historf of racism in this country. so i think we can all agree that racism exists in this country. >> bill: do you think that black panthers are part of the racism with their antiwhite event? >> the black panthers, it wasn't about antiwhite, it is pro-black. it is about the making sure they provided for the community, foor programs, health care programs. the language and the rhetoric is your choice. we are not using that language and rhetoric now. they certainly were not using that rhetoric at the conference. >> bill: it makes me a little uneasy that a very intelligent woman like yourself could even think that these people were worthy of being considered in black history month. because they are not that muchch different than the ku klux klan. >> oh, that's interesting. oh, wow, really?