lighten the load on russia or anything like that. we don't know. but what do you mean in the tradition of only one president at the time? are you saying u.s. citizens do not have a right to call officials either of this government or other government? i feel like i do and you do? >> not so close to a campaign that you were trying to influence the diplomatic outcome, the president at that point was president obama. general flynn was potentially involved with the relationship between united states and russi russia. the president had just issued sanctions regarding violations of what we assumed were tampering by russian intelligence and the fact that he called right afterward i think it's questionable. again, this is why we should have an investigation. >> tucker: here's what we know, the u.s. government is spying on american citizens and not keeping the information secret. i don't think you're some kind of crazy leftists but you are on