someone to go on and they didn't take us up on that. i'm not sure what happened this week. i'm happy to go on jake's show any time. when are they going to show -- i watched that interview -- i'm trying to think of a diplomatic way to say it. it wasn't journalism. until they want to start asking real questions and talk about real questions americans care about instead of getting in the back and forth. howie: why wasn't it journalism? that's a serious charge. >> there were parts of it like the accusations of boycotting their network when we clearly offered for people to be con. con -- to be on. that's a big deal. howie: there has been a lot of media chatter about sean spicer. the washingtonian magazine said