cell phone information and how we use that how we spy on our allies. that will be on trial. that is what the defense will offer up in terms of edward snowden. they'll say he is a whistleblower. he's not a spy or a terrace. he showed the light to how the intelligence agents are spying. >> but others are saying he is a traitor. you heard what the president said that he has done so you have a fancy defense lawyer in court is that a valid of defense. >> you don't need a fancy defense lawyer waving stuff around. we have a constitution. the constitution involves due process for everyone no matter how guilty they look, no matter how guilty they are to be, is still entitled to a trial. i think the prosecution will have a very easy time proving the case. the tough thing for mr. snowden is that he is charged under the espionage act of 1917 which is like a giant club.