everybody was listening very intently to this. you feel like you can tell which way these judges are leaning. but you really can't, necessarily, can you? >> a lot of times, you can gather where a judge is coming from based on their questions. one thing that stretch me was the judge's insistence of how this executive order potentially violated the establishment clause. what struck me about this is that it goes far beyond the scope of the plaintiff's complaint overall. >> martha: for everybody at home, by saying that she is suggesting that it is discriminatory on the basis? >> she is getting into questions of whether this violates the establishment clause. if you look at the complaint filed by the plaintiffs, even they don't spend that much time on the establishment clause. they were speaking to something different. you saw her focus on that aspect of the case. that signaled a lot to me. >> martha: so, how do you separate that? how do you not to look at that, michael, as are coming into this