again, why is that germane to your mission as expressed in your mission statement? i will give you another example. abortion. last year, on the university of roe vs. wade, you issued a press release saying that the sierra club stands in solidarity with planned parenthood. people feel that way, okay. what does that have to do with the environment? why does legal abortion make the environment better? >> we believe in empowering women's rights.. we think that women who have rights and the ability to have choice about their reproductive -- make their own reproductive choices, will help to produce strong families and help to protect the environment at the same time. the sierra club is pro-choice. >> tucker: but why? i get that you are pro-choice. that's fine. but that doesn't -- what does it have to do with the environment? how specifically does more p abortion or legal abortion help the environment? >> helps to address a number of people that we have on this planet. we feel that one of the ways in which we can get to a