lawless protester creating violence, you detract from your message, and then you have no power. so if a demonstration is peaceful you get your message through. if not, you are actually, i think, helping donald trump b of figure, the a figure as controversial as he is, who has a sort of resistance of people will turn out. >> jon: and the crime for milo yiannopoulos was trying to express what, a different point of view? a conservative point of view? >> look, we've gone from in the 1960s, the chancellor of the uc system had a very famous phrase, he said our goal is university is not to make ideas safe for the students, it's to make the students safe to hear these sorts of ideas. that was in response to a communist who was coming to speak on campus back then. we've gone from there to now, where we have riots at the thought of hearing a different point of view. it really takes the whole concept of safe spaces to we now