folks who support the idea, for example, of the vetting process. >> bill: do you believe that this order, i think i depart from you on this, but i could be wrong -- you believe that this order has alienated more people then would cheer him for it? i think that most americans are saying, okay, we understand it wasn't done in the best way, but we supports -- >> why shouldn't you do something in the best way? >> bill: you should but nobody is perfect. >> the idea that nobody can do a headcount on this -- you are saying, the way to govern is to antagonize people, to botch your policies, to rub people's noses in it? >> bill: i would have announced a big muslim outreach along with a policy on this, as a clearly stated in the "talking points." >> it was very amateurish. the point is, this is not how you gain support, by botching