chris: and, dana, as i discussed with kellyanne conway and steve bannon in an interview with "the new york times" went a lot further. keep our mouths shut, zero integrity, zero intelligence. does this make sense from the white house's point of view? >> well, it does because i think they have effectively used the media against the democrats, right in so they were able to say to their base we have an enemy in the media, and the base agreed, and so it helps them a little bit. but i do think that -- so steve bannon's quote is very quotable, and i can understand why a journalist would be offended by it. but the second part of it was just give us a shot here. and i think what kellyanne said about the underreporting of some of the good policies they're doing, i've done media relations for a long time as a republican, it would be very frustrating. but the thing is also this, human beings are always going to try to eat dessert first. if you keep feeding them sugar, they're going to go with the sugar.