the president still stands by nato. he didn't say that. she did, that he said that. i don't know what the true case is. how do you feel that is going along and how you feel europe is reacting or whether easing up now on it's initial concerns about the president? >> look, i know for a fact that nike flynn has had discussions on what i call nato 2.0. we were quiet -- we talked about this a little bit. there's a group of us quietly working to advise the chairman of the joint chiefs, a guy name james mattis was the validater. we've been looking at this for a while. one of the recommendations we made before this came up, let's look at how we can make 24th centu century relevant. i mentioned this to mr. trump in august. they were thinking, how do we make nato relevant. i'd like to believe what you saw is an outgrowth of donald