who may be thinking about it, you know, seven years. if you get 35 and no chance of parole, that's a different story than getting out in seven years. >> greg, it's ten times longer than the next harshest sentence which was given to a former fbi agent for doing the same thing. at 20 times as long as the most severe sentence ever given for any such action prior to the obama administration. >> maybe this was a different action. if you're questioning the initial sentence, that's a different argument, but the fact is, he didn't serve the prison sentence. and why did he not serve the prison sentence? because he or she is a folk hero. understand if anybody here at this table got into serious legal trouble that involved jail time, we are never going to enjoy the same vast amount of sympathy that chelsea manning gets right now from the press and from the government because she is an antiwar activist. she is a gender activist. with those two together, you are a folk hero. we would never get that kind of