california, but he created a kit so others can start their own group. the reverend says the number one admitting you are a racist, but important lowering the bar for what racism is to include all external differences like gender and sexual orientation. of his participants, he said, "it's like a parent watching their kid learn." he says, "you can't make them. you have to wait and let them learn." well, i am glad the program is free of condescension. remi, what do you think? racists anonymous? people are going to sign up for this? >> it's just so ridiculous. i don't know where to start. >> tom: start with the idea do you think -- he said everyone is racist, they only the program. >> but he also says, "i am going to change the definition of what a racist is. we are going to say if you look at people differently, that makes you a racist." he's redefining the term racist in order to create this group he