1970s, i remember almost all of the cases at an interstate commerce nexus, it wasn't the theft of an automobile that you prosecuted, it was interstate transportation of a stolen vehicle. >> yes. a lot of -- >> lot of that is just, now, we've forgotten that distinction, that limitation on federal power. >> we have. a lot of what i'm talking about happens in the environment in natural resource division, or in others. a lot of litigation out. there i encourage, i see i am out of time. >> let me make a suggestion before i suggest senator ronald, who's been off for two years. when she's done, it would be senator kennedy's turn but you probably have to go vote f there's somebody back here that can start the second round, do it. and then we'll call on senator kennedy to finish the first round. senator hurano?