this is awful. >> but, anyway, whole issue is one of, is this legitimate in terms of people saying this is a hate crime. i don't see that this needs to be an argument about the hate crime. although i remember with some intensity what happened to george w. bush when he was governor with texas and the speller was dragged by some whites behind the truck and the naacp went after him at that time and said that he was not sufficiently upset because it was white people who did it. i thought it was totally illegitimate. i thought it was totally about hate crime statutes. it wasn't about the horrific nature of the crime. it gets gets used on both side. it's not like dylan roof doesn't exist, doesn't lead to more racial hate and racial -- >> are there going to be satellite trucks parked outside this trial like there were at