unless their gender on their birth certificate matches the bathroom they're in. is that something that you think states should get involved in? >> well, i think each state, of course, is going to make their own decision on that. but if you follow that logic to its conclusion, does that mean that men will be able to play on women's basketball teams? i mean you have to draw a line somewhere, and i think the concern of the north carolina legislature is that men, women, and children are -- i'm sorry -- that women and children are protected from men coming into women's shower rooms, and it makes sense. i haven't studied it closely exactly what the bill says, but it just seems like common sense to me. >> let's talk about your school, liberty, which as we mentioned earlier is the largest christian university in the world. and i want to put up some numbers. since you succeeded your father in 2007, enrollment has increased from 9,600 to 15,000