how come we can't protect our stuff? >> it's the most complex stuff we've faced. we lose more stuff, our government, universities, in the congress. look what the chinese are doing? the president-elect is right. iran hacked into the navy marine corps internet program. where was the outrage? how about the social security numbers stolen by the chinese when they hacked into the office of personnel management? it's a dimension much warfare. it's the most we're unprepared for. i believe this president-elect has a chance to win the cyber war. >> also, we have the problem with private companies. they're waiting for the government to protect them against cyber warfare. they're investing in their people, human resources. are they investing in security? >> i don't think they are. it's killing us economically and killing us from a national security stand point. it's inflicting hundreds of billions of dollars of real damage economically and from a national security standpoint. here's the biggest problem,