brendan, i think, was just the weakest link in the family for them to tie steven to it. >> all right. and finally -- >> i don't think he did it at all either. >> all right. i understand you visited steven recently in prison. how is he doing? >> oh, he's doing great. he's very happy about the whole outcome of all this. he's very grateful of the cards and the letters he's receiving. he's hopeful that someday he'll get out and hopefully sooner than later. what he does want people to know is that he's innocent. he does want that to be known that he wants the outcome of his innocence to be known. >> all right. kim, thank you smuch for being with us. my next guest believes justice was served in the halbach case and stands by the investigation. robert herman joins me now.