and other places, what do you think about how you could beat them? >> you beat hillary because i think she's really compartmentalized. i don't think she thinks in terms -- she doesn't have a great vision. that's why obama beat her. because it's about vision. remember i used to talk about bush, it's the vision thing. i don't think she has a vision. think it's too much politically calculated. if we come out with somebody that's a divider, you can't win ohio. if you don't win ohio, you can't be president, it's not that complicated. >> i'm going to exercise my right to have one more question. tell me about ohio, that's quite a remarkable story. where you started as governor and where are you today. you're up 385,000. >> our wages are growing faster than the national average. our credit is rock-solid. our pensions are rock solid. we've cut taxes by the largest of any sitting governor, $5 billion. we're running a $2 billion surplus and we're leaving nobody in the shadows.