but we can work on the order later. those are he two who i think want to win the white house and could do a really fantastic job because you have this blend of public sector with marco and private sector with carly and insider-outsider. i think that strikes the right tone and strikes the right chord. change in washington while incorporating experience. >> how about her performsan hat -- hewlett-packard. she says she made tough calls. >> she made tough calls and it's unfortunate that it had to play out that way. for tens of thousands of people, that's not something anyone should take lightly, but what i do strongly believe is that carly was leading at a time where it was very tough time to be in the tech industry, and you could say she cut all of these