all right? and he asks you if you want to write a book with me. >> yep. >> now, you got to be honest, dugard. you don't know me. you've never met me. what was the first thing that popped into your mind? >> i need to watch "the factor" and see who this guy is. >> you didn't know who i was? >> well, i knew who you were, but i'd never really watched "the factor." and, so, then i got in my car and i drove all the way -- i was in mammoth mountain. i was 4 hours from the nearest airport. i drove through the night to get the plane, got to new york the next morning, and went to lunch. and then the best trip i ever made. >> okay. so, you knew who i was, but you weren't a regular viewer of the program, so you didn't know how obnoxious i was. >> right, yeah. >> or how bombastic or -- whatever. so, you decide to help us write the book. and you're primarily the researcher, all right? and that's why i signed on to hire you. when you research a project like "lincoln" -- one of the reasons that i did the book