middle? and who is he close to? rubio or trump? >> he will be on one side when it suits him and he'll be on the other side. >> that's completely unfair. have you even looked at his website. go to tedcruz.org, what do you see? 11 pages on immigration reform -- >> i was quiet and polite -- let me speak. >> have you read it? i've read the entire thing. >> don't change the subject. we've all seen those courtroom dramas where they say to the witness, were you lying then or are you lying now? if ted cruz and his surrogates want to go with the idea this is a poison pill amendment, that's fine. all he has to confess to is he lied back then -- >> he doesn't have to confess to anything. what are you talking about? >> when he spoke to all those groups and said he wanted the bill to pass and the goal was to get it passed, either ted was lying then or he's lying now. any supporter has to come grips