that's the clip out of tonight. >> it's totally unimportant to democrats in the room. i was shocked that there was an audience, given how silent they were on the isis issue. >> what made you think that she made herself more hawkish tonight than obama? she said this was not an american fight. >> she did say it was an american fight. >> she said it's not an american-led fight. >> she said americans have to be in this fight, david, but then to say we have to defeat isis -- >> sure, but that's not -- >> to speak -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> is that boots on the ground? she didn't lay out details. she is very cautious and vague. >> do you think it would have helped her tonight to lay that kind of thing out? >> no. but that's the answer we need. this is the most important debate we're having, what would she do today if she were present different than what barack obama is or is not doing?