parameters that are vital for our country. if you say you'll ring up the debt by 11 or $12 trillion, you're not for that. but that's what some of these plans propose, sean. i'm just telling you that's what happens to the debt. go analyze them. >> i actually believe if you eliminate baseline budgeting -- carly said that. you cut a penny out of every dollar, on the spending side. i don't think there's any limit to the amount of money that we can grow the economy with energy and becoming the corporate tax haven of the world. i don't even know if anybody can calculate the economic growth benefits of those things. >> sean, we do dynamic scoring in our plan. we know it's going to cause economic growth. our economic growth estimates would take us just shy of 4%. but you can't have a tax cut plan that takes you to 10 or $11 trillion more in the hole. so don't misunderstand what i'm saying to you. i will tell you this next fall when these plans get carefuled