did not link the cost of rubio's plan to the cost of war. and rubio says we want a strong military, who is going to disagree with that? >> it's psychological more than tactical. so you're looking at it from a different point of view. which republican on the stage tonight, and one name, okay, could convince you to vote for him or her? >> oh, sheesh. you know, it's compared to what? but i thought at the beginning of the debate, kasich was sounding relatively reasonable to me. that probably means he's doomed but he was sounding more reasonable. >> so kasich is one of the more moderate of the eight. kasich. >> yes. >> he's looking at it. >> the tax part. >> yes. he looks at policy from a human point of view.