pantry. >> do you have to worry about preservatives for it to stay that long. >> the things that we have to worry about. the things with dairy in it, a protein protein or a fat in it. fat will spoil when it's exposed to air. so dry products, like cereals, crackers, pasta, dried beans, canned beans, those can last for years on the shelf. i want people to know you can open them up, even for example tuna can last for 2 to 5 years, same thing with beans. again, you're looking at like cereal or crackers, they may not taste good that far out. >> with the beans or the tuna, if there's any rusting or any leakage -- >> you can buy a packet so there won't be any rusting on a can. that's what i think is great about it. >> one more thing about the dried kale. >> don't you love that? >> is this healthy out of the