skeptical doctors in the afterlife, what convinced so many cardiologists and oncologists that these are actually showing us some picture of what's to come. >> is there anything that jumps out at you as most persuasive? >> well, there are a lot of accounts. for instance, an article written in "the lancet request" a prest medical journal. this man's dentures were taken out, he was unconscious, they did cpr, he was unconscious for a whole week. moved to another room. when he comes to, he tells them where his dentures were, that they were put in this crash cart in this other room. he couldn't have possibly seen that except he said he left his body, he witnessed what had happened and -- >> but can't there be -- the hearing is still there and something is the computer that is your brain. >> i talk about accounts like that. pam reynolds where she -- i can't go into all. but she had clickers in her ear, her eyes were taped shut, no