>> just -- well, all i want you to do is give me one example of spin. >> the black lives matter movement in the 60's when we said black is beautiful. it didn't mean that white wasn't beautiful. it meant to address a set of circumstances that that community saw. if you look at any statistic when it comes to the black community, whether it's employment, whether it's african-american education. whether it's incarceration rate, there is a problem. so to assert yourself as black lives matter isn't a response of that. if we took this to be another country looked at those statistics in that society we would be pushing for that society and the people. >> no one disputes that african-americans in general have a harder road america. >> some people do hobby who is taken seriously. okay? no one disputes that it's how you get there your definition of radical is different from mine and that might be the problem. black party radical?