for, i think he's probably not too principled in his convictions except he's a businessman that does things his way, his own idiosyncratic way. i do understand the appeal. people are angry, mad. he seems big enough, he's a big guy. >> i see a guy that wanted to keep his workers working in new york where democrats outnumber republicans 8-1. >> right. >> a guy that played the game because, you know what, that's the system. he didn't set it up. and i've asked him specifically on the economy, i've asked him on health care, i've asked him on immigration, on planned parenthood. >> no more singer payer for her, right? no more impeachment of george w. bush. no more supporting pelosi and reid. >> you can say all these things. >> well, they're true. >> he supports health care savings accounts, he'll control the border, immigration is a huge issue right now. i thought his economic plan was really good. paul ryan even said it was good. >> that's interesting, isn't it, that we cite paul ryan. here's paul ryan who is being skewered by a lot of our