to is who can win. and when you hear jeb bush or -- >> yeah, yeah, i don't think you associate his name with winning. >> i think you do. >> i think you do. >> you talk about america winning and you talk about the fact america -- >> well, i do, he's great. >> so is my neighbor pam. >> not no to make this all about jeb bush -- >> man! >> we're listening. >> he's the man with the money, you know? >> yeah. that's an important point. >> huge name recognition, maybe only commensurate with trump and clinton when you consider the entire field. >> strong track record. >> what is not resonating about jeb? >> people right now are responding to anger, and i think that there's two ways to really gain power. one is through anger and one is through vision. ronald reagan, 1979, did not continually reiterate how bad america was doing. he talked about a shining city on the hill and how good america could do. and i think when that breaks through, right now you have a thousand candidates, and it's hard to break a message through. [laughter] >> a thousand. >> when that breaks through, people are going to respond, i hope.