>> very briefly, do you agree with that? >> i disagree on viewership. i think people disagree -- the extent to which they'll tune in. i think the ratings will be better than half. >> love fest though? >> i've interviewed bernie sanders, when you ask about hillary, he's not afraid to go there. 6 he will go after her on policy and will highlight the areas where they disagree. >> but he complains the media are always trying to get him to attack her personally. molly ball, betsy woodruff, and fred francis, thank you for joining us. after the break, "new york times" driving melania trump as a trophy spouse. i asked donald trump for his reaction. that's coming up next. equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like playing the boss equals the boss wins.