i don't know about bernie sanders. he'd probably be happy, too. face it. there's a debate next tuesday night. seeing hillary debating bernie sanders and my friend martin o'malley is not near as interesting, shall we say, or hot, as if we had joe biden in there. if we had donald trump even more fun, but joe biden would make the debate more interesting and i think would give people a -- let me not get into too much trouble, but a credible alternative to hillary. somebody who is obviously qualified, and is a credible alternative, which i'm not sure bernie sanders -- sorry bernie -- really is. >> yes or no. will vice president biden run? >> i keep saying no, because i like him as a person. i respect him as an individual, and i know how grueling and horrible presidential politics can be, and i don't think he can win. that's the problem. so i hate to see him get hurt. so i'll say, no. >> okay. by the way, i think i called