prisoners than any country ever. >> why is it a shame if they have -- >> because -- >> wait, wait. they have broken the law at the level of a felony and incarcerated. why is that shame on america? >> they can do their punishment. but we are talking about re-elising them after eight years in prison rather than ten. do you think the extra two years will cure them at a cost of $30,000 per prison fer ner per year? >> i don't care about the money. >> that could go to you, to me. >> the prison expense is far less than the damage that felons do to society. i will tell you this. the message it sends to the criminals is, you know what? it's worth doing the time because i will make $500,000 a year selling dope. >> first of all, we don't do a good job picking out which prisoners will turn a new leaf when they get out. there was a 22002 justice department study of 91,000 suppose tli nonviolent criminals