right, you hear all this talk about the cradle-to-prison pipeline, right? >> right. >> if you have the opportunity to break it, why wouldn't you say, we're going to do everything, we're going to experiment, we're going to have charter schools, magnet schools? >> gay marriage and pot legalization, but not school choice, because it's power. >> why is it? >> the teachers' union. you offer school choice, you offer charter schools, you point the finger at schools and teachers and administrations that aren't performing and the union doesn't like that they want all of them to make sure they get paid the right level. >> well they say that most kids of course aren't in charter schools, and you don't want to relegate the rest of the kids to some dump that you say we don't care about. but that's not the issue and believe me, if you can save some children, save them now. ten years from now, that kid is maybe beyond saving. >> that's what the ad says, he