annexing that territory. we can look at the fact that they're trying to destablize the ukraine because putin has his eyes on that country. but look, you know, i do believe that these exchanges between obama and romney back in 2012 are really a historical footnote at this point. romney is no longer a candidate. obama is a lame duck but it is very much relevant for hillary clinton. because that back then -- bill: that is interesting do you remember, quickly, the circumstances by which he was going to deliver that comment in that debate? >> no, you're talking about which comment? bill: how did you arrive, hey, listen he will say al qaeda and we're going to say putin? >> well, look, this had been an issue going back much earlier in 2012 when the governor first mentioned the fact that russia was our number one geopolitical