it doesn't mean that the church rule is therefore unimportant or has no value. as dr. jeffers knows very well, as soon as you say okay, your clergy can get married, it doesn't mean all of a sudden you have no problems. >> isn't that a money decision because the church wanted to hang on to their money? >> i think there is partly economic -- the fact that my parish only has to pay me $25,000 a year about, it is easier for the parish in the bronx. but, there's also an imitation of jesus himself. jesus himself who chose not to get married. >> but we're not gentlemen success. listen, all have sinned and fallen short. start with me, i'm guiltier than anybody. >> what did st. paul say? >> he said it is better to get married than to burn. >> he also said -- >> go ahead. >> sean, and of course in timothy 1:3 the bible says the pastor is to be the husband of