unfortunately you need to be in order to not let these things go by and hurt you. i don't think it hurts donald because he has proven himself someone to impervious to having gaffs, hurt his position. with ben carson it is a little bit more easy. >> what would you say to this? that's why people love the fact that neither one of them is, you know, kind of roped in by pcness? i mean -- >> that's right. >> you know what? they probably have more leeway. i see you nodding andrea, more leeway than most people do to say what they feel, people are listening to know what they feel. >> we've already seen donald trump years ago come out and talk about obama's birth certificate. remember he said -- >> right. >> he would pay him. demanded to see the birth certificate. people remember that. they don't care. so nobody cares what donald trump says now. by the way, he made a great point this morning. hillary clinton was the first one during 2007 to intimate that president obama wasn't a christian. she was asked by steve kroft in