fiorina -- >> do that all the time. i late to break it to you -- >> that's right. >> i wouldn't read too much -- >> thereafter. >> half he nasdaq companies were decimated. so i don't know whether i take that out on one ceo but that was common at the time. >> don't promote them to president. >> can she survive. >> she can survive this. voters don't care about this very nuanced, whether he cut 10,000 jobs or 12,000. she had a reasonable run. it was a very dysfunctional board -- >> electorate is difference funkal. >> the only record she has to run on. that will be a record that will be closely scrutinized. >> but neil, she is -- >> our political system is quite differing functional al now. reneed a leader who can fiction the dysfunction. >> absolutely. chev is showing s can do that. >> well, obviously used to the rough and tumble. >> that's right. >> and showed it back then. thank you for taking time by talk over each other. when we come back, we've got