certainly in the last century. bill: he is just sucking up then, is that what you're saying? >> no. these are things he really believes in. bill: right, but in your lifetime will this ever happen? >> i find it hard to believe. but i would like to think we would be able to do some changes in terms of making social security stronger, in terms of expanding medicare. in terms of really being able to help people. >> that is not what bernie is talking about. >> that is what he is talking about. >> no it is not. >> he is doing it away to argue the way we get there, the way to make social security secure again. the way we deal with medicare. the way we deal with universal health care. these are things that appeal to people living in this country, who are working. >> very small group of people uninformed, jessica. very small group. look, social security, one of the great scams in social security is that lbj moved it into the general fund to hide his big spending. go to fdr, with the largest congressional majority in our nation's history, couldn't get