issues, and then maybe we will give you another look. >> karl, we have had other outsiders before. ross perot, pat buchanon, herman cain, the tea party raising cain about issues. but we -- but it always seems to be that the g.o.p. wanders back to career politicians. whether it be george bush 43 or whether it is senator mccain or governor romney. so, is s. there anything different about these outsiders this time. >> the difference about these outsiders is that they have not held public office. take a look at the names that you just mentioned. george w. bush was not a washington politician. he had been the governor of texas. mitt romney had been the governor one term of massachusetts and a successful businessman. remember the appeal of john mccain in 2000? it was not that he was a washington insider. it's that he was a washington maverick. that was his call sign for his campaign. so, we have always had outsiders. whether it's steve forbes who didn't hold public office, or a ronald reagan who was a california