i think that they were pushing it. i also think we have an accurate understanding of where the vice president is now. he wants to do it but he also is battered and he's not really sure that he's ready to get it done. >> let me turn to carly fiorina because she's ripping cnn with the next presidential debate next month at the reagan library for the rules that it is using for who gets on the stage in the prime time debate. cnn wrongly in my view using polls from three weeks before the fox debate when carly fiorina was mired at 1% and only a couple polls since then showed her surging to as much as 5%. she's likely being excluded. i talked to the presidential candidate the other day. let's take a look. >> and so if you're a professional politician and been in the game a long time or you're a celebrity, your advantaged in national polls. if you're an outsider that most people have never heard of before i launched my campaign on may 4th, you're disadvantaged. >> does carly fiorina have a legitimate beef with cnn?